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Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.04.19 16:17:00 - [1] Originally by: Desiree Cousteau and the difference is??, the threat of Concord is a deterance from committing a criminal act in the first place, so in essence players are protected? if u open fire on an innocent player in empire, concord shows up and blasts u out of the sky. but if the pirate flips your can then opens fire the this is allowed? this is wrong? infact this is an exploit is it not? No, it is not. Concord reacts to life-threatening crime, but you have the option to react to can-flipping etc. As to can-flipping, what on earth makes you think that a can in space should be made secure by anyone other than yourself? What right do you have for Concord protection of stuff you throw out in a jetcan? Take some responsibility!
Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.04.19 16:57:00 - [2] Edited by: Lear Hepburn on 19/04/2009 17:00:47 Originally by: Desiree Cousteau you have not read the post correctly.. it is not stealing that is the issue, stealing is fine.. but the problem is that a griefer flips your can with only interest of pvp confrontation. and thats the issue, if the pirate tuns up in a hac with the only purpose of destroying your mining ship the this is the issue that needs addressing.. if it was in lowsec or 0.0 then fine, but Not in empire.. If I understand the mechanic correctly you have to shoot the flipper in order for him to be able to shoot you, or you need to steal what has become "his" stuff. You can legally shoot him if he flips your can (i.e. without Concord involvement). If that is the case, the solution is very simple: don't shoot the can flipper, and leave the stuff to him until you can get backup. Alternatively you can pre-empt this by using GSCs.
Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.04.19 19:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Neo Omni It is an exploit and it does give pirates an unfair advantage. Theft should be dealt with by concord. They are the police force. As for all the negative comments....ignore them, they are the pirates themselves. It is not an exploit. It does not give pirates an unfair advantage. Theft is not the jursidition of concord, it is the juristiction of protection of one's own proerty. I am not a pirate. As a positive comment, why should a miner be able to completely mine out a belt in absolute safety, leaving the ore in unsecured cans, then go and get his hauler to take them back to the station? Where's the risk there?
Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.04.20 18:19:00 - [4] Edited by: Lear Hepburn on 20/04/2009 18:19:29 Originally by: Desiree Cousteau Originally by: NightF0x Originally by: Desiree Cousteau So herein lies the problem, ccp should address the issue fully i think by the next patch.... im off to bed now :-) what issue? the game's working as intended it is but it shouldn't... your missing the point.. ok let me explain with a different situation.. If i walk outside with a gun and shoot someone in the head, within minutes a swat team will be around me telling me to drop the gun or die, (usually shoot first lol).. but if i steal someone's car then kill them with a gun, the police should be fine with that?? even if the person i stole from puched me in the face for stealing his car before i killed him? what im saying is ccp should make it more fair for the victim's of can flippers that are just out to grief.. give a defence modifier bonus or concord intervention at least :-) Never, ever mistake law and order in New Eden with law and order in the real world. Concord does not protect your stuff from theft, it merely protects you. You have the right to protect your own stuff if someone takes it but if you use that right then you lose the privilege of Concord protection from your target. Your stuff must therefore be protected by you. You can do so with GSCsif you wish, making the stuff unstealable; you can have other people around to protect you and your stuff; or you can use a ship with a large hold so you don't ever need to jettison. Any combination of these is acceptable. Those are the mechanics; it is up to you how you use them. If you can't use the mechanic then don't complain about how Eve is broken.
Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.04.23 05:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Sep'Shoni Which you can't anchor close enough together to mine a single, decent-sized asteroid into them. So you actually have to move? My God, what an awful idea! In that case you must be correct about the whole subject. That was sarcasm, in case it doesn't come across.

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